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Fred Angoor ( I, ed ) :
But I wonder, what interest has a government to destroy their country? This is what I do not understand.
Flavia De Camillis :
interest is directly proportional to fatten their own pockets, to do their own interest, to bring up citizens more and more ignorant that do not complain, watching big brother and inform each strip with the news because the news are boring
The Joe :
ruining the country fill their pockets, and then will not be much to see here disatrosi the true effects, not because of their younger age.
A little 'as one that breaks down the whole tree to pick apples, but he knows there will be so for the next harvest then that's what.
is the lack of foresight, combined with selfishness and greed = have the interest to their own interests.
.. I wonder what interest has a population to be governed by a government whose interest is to spoil your country? because in the end, these subjects were chosen by the Italian people, which continues largely to support them or do nothing to drive them away ...
Flavia De Camillis :
But because the Italian people can not care less!
To those interested in today, right now, education reform? To those of the financial security of the decree, etc.? how many students have read the reform and is actively involved know ... no? If we do not we, who are the first involved, it could care for him a worker or an employee? and then ... Italians are more far-sighted of their leaders? obviously not. the problem of Italian is that they think today, to take home the day the piece of bread x dinner and forget the future, fuck the children and grandchildren (in my personal opinion)
Stefano Esposito:
know that I asked myself the same thing tonight? After all, a government needs consensus, and what could be better than the consensus of millions of students and workers in the field of education? But keep in mind that the center-right knows that this election will not conquer ever basin, so it can hit, not are idiots (insomma. ..). Holding of Italy in the long run, the future of the production system is of little interest, while its goal is to cut, not sink, and do not affect the interests that support it. The left would do the same just on other sectors. Flavia
I agree, I am also convinced that the majority does not care. But I noticed that we tend to forget that we are privileged, we still have time and head to read, know and think about some things. Tonight Annozero have documented the lives of many workers Fiat, 8 hours, half an hour break, 4 hours travel from home to work. And like millions of their fellow workers in other sectors. I just do not feel angry with them if they are not interested and informed about what is happening: (this is a trap system that for decades has triggered this vicious circle.
The Joe :
just because they try things on their own skin should be of interest to them than to many others. Of course the manager with the big car is not interested. In addition to their
certainly more than we can understand how privileged.
many rights that we take for granted today, from people who were achieved? just by the workers and the rest. now we are doing as well as remove, without batting an eyelid.
Not only did we go forward, but not standing still. it even goes backwards. poor world ..
Fred Angoor:
Since we all agree that for better or worse (I think) that this state of affairs is not good, since "democracy" Italian does not work, at least not as we have in head the idea of \u200b\u200bdemocracy, or as I have it, that is a government of the people on the people, made by representatives who are not carrying forward their own interests, then this place really bile fills us with each passing day, for different reasons, education, economy, justice, good governance, respect for fundamental human rights, then I suggest one thing that I ask myself when I was in young age groups: is there a way to disrupt this system without doing harm to someone? "Someone was a communist" as he said good Gaber: When I was interested in certain subjects to the point that all I was less convinced of the armed struggle. To my belief, and repudiation of all forms of violence, just because I know for a fact that man as such can never do without his own instincts, I hope to be judged if the violence were from me. The problem arises when there is no other solution. It is as if torturing one of our loved ones before our eyes. What do we do? We do nothing? Do not raise your hands to stop the injustice? Leaving aside the fact that inertia is exactly what he is doing most of the Italian people (knowingly or not), unfortunately I have not found it in my head an alternative response to violence that could scratch the organized powers (economic) in a reasonable manner . If I propose a more effective, tell me, please.
Fred Angoor:
A tool that I'm thinking for some time the network, the effective means (and unfortunately more and more unique) to mobilize people, through which we could organize a great mass of the cancellation of voting in election period. But this is not ... is that one of the last pieces to be included in a much larger mosaic, which must be placed where it is now complete: namely the construction of a new order to take care of real people's problems, a form of government that chooses people based on their sincerity, their ability to take care of others effectively and to eliminate once for the exploitation of man by man, because as long as there will be this we can never talk about democracy. But as usual we take refuge in, "Well, I have my problems, someone else will, so that the world will never change. Looking good is not in the form of government that makes the difference ... the problem is the man!
Stefano Esposito:
The instrument is important is passing through the net! And it is necessary to put together, make a clear diagnosis and to find possible solutions. In my opinion, is not as easy as it sounds because it's all chained together: touch rules at work and you have to touch anything else ... the problem is that whatever you're doing there is the obstacle (in this case is such) interdependence with the rest of the world. Should at least act at European level in a unified way ... trivial example, working conditions, we want a society in which we should not live to work, and then tuned up, for example 6 hours maximum? Change the system only in Italy would lead us to ruin, should do all of Europe and use all the weapons (peaceful) of possible blackmail to impose the same standards on the rest of the world. But if we are content with less radical changes but still effective enough to study the Scandinavian systems and adapt them to our country! : D
Fred Angoor:
parochial you are not limited to: P
but the problem lies in the management ... Meanwhile, I do not think we're ready yet (we the Member States) for a union strong enough to embrace the management of the state, although I did not mind ... in some ways a federal Europe, and then I'm afraid that even a Federalism is not sufficient to solve Italy's problems, because it is true that we are connected to the international system, but to a certain point! Autarky is definitely not a possibility, but as to the serious problems facing our country, we have no serious outrage from the world community, if only because they too have their dirty laundry. But the question is another: the first step is to awaken the consciences of our fellow countrymen and make them understand that we must overthrow this system, a model that does not allow an oligarchy like the one with the sacrifices that must be addressed and deciding whether is a better centralization of power or its distribution, so as to better manage local! I am not opposed to any federal, obviously done well, not to the Executioner, pouring out as he would like the paralyzed government.
Europe is made by us! It is we who must leave the initiative! :)
The Joe :
I think the drama is the "mentality" that now have the Most Italians, or most of them. The average Italian has the same attitude and same way of doing politics. It was only small.
The rule of "if I can sbanfo and place to place and all I do not care" is deeply rooted in many people. The more the rudeness that increasingly pervasive did the rest.
Once people struck, although very expensive paying the consequences. But there was a sense of "collective responsibility" that prompted to do so, and there were values \u200b\u200bthat were taught to respect and dignity of persons type etc..
Now this is no more. I remember when I was working before studying. There were maybe strikes to protest against Sunday work compulsory ... and people of reason are missing much to me 3 years to retirement, that I care "or" but if you strike the head then gets angry at the company dinner and do not receive the gift. On Sunday I'll sick and who you are not care "through the banal peasants who jump the queue at the supermarket, or rub the bread sticks to the restaurant. The attitude is "I think to myself and Grab all they can. After the other and it does not matter." Coupled with a general imbalance of the values \u200b\u200bthat you do not know where I finished. Having worked three years in office, I have seen the rate ... people can not make ends meet, but at 52 installments to buy a playstation or the i-phone. Do not buy a washing machine because they are poor, 45anni still bear by the mother to wash, but they make 80 installments for the LCD TV. They eat bread and water, but you can buy Prada shoes or belt d & g This is what is important in almost all have these stupid things at all costs ... Stefano
sorry if you contradict, but before making a change in Europe, is perhaps Italy (along with other states) that should reach Europe. If you go to Germany or Britain the best times to work them to us already. as salaries, security controls, compliance rests, and decent pensions. The weekends are sacred. And if you do your job well do not give to anyone if you have tattoos or 100piercing. If you work bad they do not care if the boss is your uncle or your grandfather and so on. Try
to talk to any German tax evasion, and you look shocked. For them it is a conceivable thing (and the numbers prove it). Their concept is that it is a moral value because you pay taxes you do not have a number x (and even here the taxes are just a few), but everyone including you then receive back a figure far higher than Y in the form of services, subsidies and so on.
Since we have already managed some countries, all things seem possible ...
For the non-violent response that people would wake up and start to look a bit 'longer in the nose of his. The network can work well to circulate information and ideas, but if no one has want to collect them and put them into practice ... there is not much to do ... : O (
Stefano Esposito:
In fact I said just that, maybe it was not clear. One thing is radical changes such as those in whose image we mentioned a bit 'all initially (to review the functioning of democracy, the distribution of power in companies to rethink the concept of growth based on consumption, etc.): these things can be changed only by acting in unity, at least European, why are these problems in countries that appear to be working fine, Sweden and Germany in the first place. But it is a series of very radical reforms, and at the moment, unlikely
But if we speak realistically achievable improvements immediately, then certainly as I said in Europe we have the best models of the world, just copy and adapt. I spoke to the Norwegians of the problem of tax evasion, and they said the same things you've told you about the Germans. Even worse, there are online all the income and public.
So the problem is to find a way to run certain mechanisms in a context (in) like the Italian civil, and where most people have neither the time nor the desire nor the ability to understand the world around himself, and thinks only in the short term.
The stories that you mention the use of funds are exemplary, also I remain shocked when people I know complain about taxes or other essential costs (school, books, food) and while the installment purchase of technological objects unnecessary. In fact, the crisis were to decrease consumption by gender and primary culture, while sales in the technology sector have suffered less. But these are problems that are not only Italian (think the U.S. ... the company's debt), and refer to the first set of problems in my opinion, the most radical consumption to achieve that goal has become an element of blackmail absurdity of this economy.
The Joe :
richtig!
((had to say that if the consumer can be used as blackmail, is just the fault of those persons who are blackmailed, because of their vision and perception of things (see sample of funds). Until not long ago there were different priorities, and for this reason (to me) people were sleeping less, more active and less open to blackmail.
Now the scale of certain values \u200b\u200b(I have not understood why, nor when and how) it's all busted .. but .. Escher ))
The Joe :
Fred PS cmq ... I would have two non-violent solutions
1) elected me emperor of the world
2) we should all emigrate en masse from Italy. leave it blank. So that Silvio and his friends have no one to aprofittarsi +. ... Do when they are cracked or emigrants, return all (and elected Empress of the World): oP ^ __ ^
Fred Angoor:
The Joe, but if we have to convince everyone to leave Italy, not it is easier to convince them to put "a slice of salami in the ballot and write " (cited Captain tense)? so 1) do not waste the ticket money ... 2) that money will go out of the ticket to replace the rule 3) we finally have a plan to reshape Italy 4) then we can also make you emperor of the world:)
Guys, I'm glad there are people like you, only that this conversation would be much more whether to participate in a lot of nice people!
ps I can put this on my blog? :) ♥
